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quadancer
01-27-2011, 09:12 PM
I said I'd do it, and here it is!
As it comes off the bike:
http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/24571/2331494290106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2331494290106878013dAdHyE)

Opened to expose stoves, pack kit:
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/21230/2592256170106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2592256170106878013lAJNrt)

Ready to cook:
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/19269/2132934900106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2132934900106878013wfmefe)

24 and 8 jet stoves operating. One capful of gas ($.10 each) good for one long burn:
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/582/2681123290106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2681123290106878013GCIzqk)

8 jet stove with simmer top operating. All in all, 2 meals and much coffee for me and the wife cost a blazing One Dollar
for the 10 burns we did. This actually weighs much less, takes almost NO room and costs infinitely less than our propane
cans and stove, which now sits retired in the camp cabinet.
http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/40509/2185729720106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2185729720106878013axmITj)

Oh, the little purple container also contains fuel, but we might switch that to butter.

Ironheadziggy76
01-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Oh, I thought you meant something like this! :lol

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Ironheadziggy76/IMG_0073.jpg

Good looking set up you have there!

bigTom
01-28-2011, 07:02 AM
Looks good!

VA Bob has a really good alcohol idea that he shared with me...I have made one half hearted attempt with it, it needs a little refinement on my part....I'll leave it for him to explain:)

quadancer
01-28-2011, 08:14 AM
Just for the record I'm an ex-alcoholic, so mine goes to fuel. But I don't care if others have a couple for the grins. But when one downs that whole bottle of Wild Turkey, it's that turkey's last ride with me! :D
I'm open to new ideas with the stoves. I forgot to add this:
Our penny attempt MELTED DOWN the new penny...not being any real COPPER in it...the nail in the 8 jet works, but you have to use pliers to get it out hot. The ball bearing is the best...just pour the fuel over it and push it aside with a knife for a sec...it rolls back into place. P^ If you can't reload a stove it's useless, ESPECIALLY for morning coffee!
Simmering these gives a few extra minutes of burn, but not double.
I'll be experimenting with some more simmer plate ideas soon.

George
02-13-2011, 09:15 AM
I like the stove stand. need something like that for my penny stoves.

Please explain your simmer top, looks like a can with a large hole punched in top and a few holes around the perimeter to control air flow. No problem with this one going out on ya?

I won't repost the pic of my penny stove making Tom's coffee when he couldn't get his propane stove fired up one cold morning near Salton Sea. :D

quadancer
02-13-2011, 06:26 PM
There are many variations on the stoves themselves but just a couple on simmer tops. What I've found out is that your FUEL (alcohol) is consistent in delivery, depending on boil rates (how hot it is). Your AIR is what controls the heat, not fuel. So anything you build to put on top that chokes the air will cut down the heat, and no, it won't go out very easily. Remember, these things work by the alcohol in the bottom getting hot and giving off vapors. It actually boils.

I can't find the link to the one I modeled after, but here's some neat info from another experimenter: http://www.instructables.com/id/Pocket-Sized-Camp-Stove-The-Improved-quotPenny-/

I've seen some with a half-moon pivoting disc over a hole that you could adjust, to just an inverted can with some holes in the bottom and a few around the top outside edges. Any of these will give you a simmer effect, and I'm thinking of a can-in-a-can with aligned holes...you'd TURN the outside can to open/close the holes. Gotta find two that nest together closely. It would be nice to be able to adjust the simmer, maybe even from a full boil...! WOOT!
Sorry...these things are fun and I got carried away...I love designing stuff. Check out my monowheel.

DARKWOLF
02-23-2011, 11:14 PM
What type of fuel do you use. White gas? Colemen fuel?
And is that just two pop cans stuck together. Sorry I ask but the link above didn't work for me.
If it is two cans I made one years ago when I was in the boy scouts. Yours looks like it works much better then mine. I se the difference and that makes since to me now why mine wasn't efficient. Looks like I will have to give it another go.

bigTom
02-24-2011, 06:03 AM
So. I have a fairly significant supply of real copper pennies.
Just send a SSAE and a couple of bucks for handling...
but wait, there's more...Now I'll send you two of the pennies for just the additional handling!

Really. If anybody needs pennies, let me know. We'll work out the details:)

quadancer
02-24-2011, 08:46 AM
What type of fuel do you use. White gas? Colemen fuel?
And is that just two pop cans stuck together. Sorry I ask but the link above didn't work for me.
If it is two cans I made one years ago when I was in the boy scouts. Yours looks like it works much better then mine. I se the difference and that makes since to me now why mine wasn't efficient. Looks like I will have to give it another go.

Yes, two bottoms make one stove. You can even polish them if you want, but not paint (they get hot) and don't set them on a plastic table. Ask me how I know...
These are incredibly efficient in the bang for buck department - denatured alcohol at your paint store is $12-14/gal, but you only use a shampoo capful or less per burn, so we take about 5-6 oz. along in an aluminum sport bottle.
Some other gear you can make:
http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html
Some other stoves I haven't tried yet; mine works too well to need to:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-low-tech-CFV-stove/step2/Decide-how-big-to-make-your-stove/

Oh, and in case anyone didn't get it, the circular pot stand is a piece of aluminum roof flashing, a paper clip to hold it in a circle, and two aluminum tent stakes made straight.
The triangular frame is 3 paint can bales and 3 pieces of copper tubing because I didn't have any in aluminum. Use one rubber band to hold them in a bundle.

DARKWOLF
02-24-2011, 09:06 AM
Ok. Thanks. That would be another reason why mine didn't work as well. I think I'm going to make one and use it in conjunction with a hobo stove. The hobo stove will act as a wind shield and stand and if I'm in an area where I can I can put a small fire instead of the penny stove. So looks like I got some work to do. O and I still needs to get a bike. First things first.

kdf9511
02-24-2011, 10:33 AM
I'm working on learning the in's and out's of this whole alcohol stove deal. I just got a Trangia last week from Mr Guy and it seems to work pretty good.

How constant of a burn do you get from denatured alcohol? I have tried to do a some resarch on this and some say that batch to batch they are diffrent and can leave deposits in the stoves. Those are the people that recomend Heat Gas Line Antifreeze for fuel and then others swear by the deatured stuff. For my couple of test burns and first pot of coffee I used Heat just because I had some.

guymoto
02-24-2011, 05:20 PM
I have had a Trangia for over 20 years. I have a number of other stoves that I thought I would like better. These operate much like the penny stove. I like the fact I can store a good two days worth of cooking (three meals a day and coffee) in the burner with no need to bring extra fuel. Mine has a built in wind screen. the simmer ring does really work out well. Finding fuel is as easy going to the drug store if you are in a pinch. They work very well and will last many years. they burn a little slower than most other fuels but speed is not the most important thing for me when camping or on the bike. I have found it seems to light better if you use a match. Lighters can work but the colder it gets the harder it seems to be.

Mr. Guy
02-24-2011, 08:44 PM
Here's a web-page on how to build a super cat stove, but also has good information on fuels:

http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html

And here another web-site with several plans for homemade stoves:

http://wings.interfree.it/html/main.html

quadancer
02-24-2011, 08:54 PM
"O and I still needs to get a bike. First things first. "

Yeah, you'll look silly running down the interstate with a backpack.

guymoto
02-25-2011, 09:43 AM
Here's a web-page on how to build a super cat stove, but also has good information on fuels:

http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html

And here another web-site with several plans for homemade stoves:

http://wings.interfree.it/html/main.html

Guy. Thanks for these links. Even though I love my current stove. I am going to experiment with these and will be making one with my little nephews this spring. (They love to go camping with there uncle)

DILLIGAF61
02-25-2011, 05:48 PM
another source for fuel boat stores
boats have alcohol stoves in them because alcohol fumes rise and therefore wont sink into the bilge and cause an explosion
the alcohol sold in boat store is real clean burning stuff



PS Heineken cans make the best stoves!!!!!!

quadancer
02-25-2011, 07:23 PM
How much per gallon? I was shocked at the $14 at Depot.

DILLIGAF61
02-26-2011, 09:08 AM
How much per gallon? I was shocked at the $14 at Depot.

lol sit down $17.00

I studied this a bit more the alcohol boats use is just relabeled denatured alcohol

so for clean burning
that's all you need to look for

all in all the cap full used for a pot of coffee is still not that expensive

by the way we must not mention the price again or we will start hearing from these campers who use these "dual fuel" stoves and how much cheaper gas is

Mr. Guy
02-26-2011, 07:00 PM
While gas or Coleman fuel is cheaper, the "dual-fuel" stoves burn it much faster than a homemade alcohol stoves burn the "expensive" fuel it uses. It probably doesn't even out, but it's not that big of a deal no more than your going to burn with either one.

quadancer
03-07-2011, 10:49 PM
I made another stove with only four holes, plus the fill hole. Experimenting again, I find the ball bearing seals best, but too small a bearing hasn't enough weight to keep from blowing upward when the stove pressurizes and gives you a large fifth flame you don't want. I used the same simmer top I use to start my other stove for a cap to cut down on the oxygen, along with a barely vented wind can:
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/22939/2703401000106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2703401000106878013ZuopRl)

With the top removed, you can see the rig - it burned for a long while; much longer than the others and heat is too much to hold your hand over it for long (when the top is on - even hotter without):
http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/43003/2448828270106878013S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2448828270106878013DsNkOU)
:fire3: Ooops, forgot to mention; I fill the stove with a good wad of wall insulation before pressing them together - I don't know why this helps, but it does.

DILLIGAF61
03-08-2011, 10:26 AM
http://zenstoves.net/

link to sight that has directions for making stoves and templates for them and accessories with a page on the different fuels and how well they do or don't work

anyone interested in making a stove i highly recommend this site also if you just have never seen the site the different stove templates will get the ole brain cell jumping

quadancer
03-08-2011, 11:44 AM
That's a great site and I see he had some of the same ideas I had. I feel that I do have to use the chimney for the simmer stove due to the spacing of the jets and to give the fuel feedback to keep it hot.