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yamatect
07-09-2010, 01:37 PM
Trekker was intrigued by my loading system described under the Hearthstone Point State Park Review thread. I thought many might not see the info under that heading so I'm starting this thread and repeating the post. Below is the info:

Last year I did a 2750 mile moto-camping trip of the upper midwest going as far north as Lake Superior on the UP and as far west and south as Hannibal, Missouri before looping back to Ohio. I developed my packing system for that trip after much thought as to how to get everything on the bike without making it top heavy.

I fabricated two 6” x 10” x 1/4” thick checkered aluminum plates with rounded corners and eased edges, drilled two holes in each and U-bolted one to each passenger foot peg. I purchased the two heavy vinyl yellow roll top camping bags from Walmart, filled them with my main camping gear and re-shuffled till I achieved approximately equal weight. The yellow bags are tied to the frame of the bike by employing one Aerostich strap for each bag. I make a loop which goes around the lower portion of the bag and the bike frame which supports the side case and cinch the loop tight. The remaining portion of the strap then goes up the outside face of the bag, thru the roll top and passes thru a double-D ring loop tie looped around the passenger grab handle. When the strap is pulled taut, the bag is very secure. The aluminum plates keep the bags from drooping down onto the exhaust pipes. You may notice that I load the yellow bags so they are narrow front to back and wide side to side. When placed on the passenger foot pegs, they do not impede my legs when my feet are on the rider pegs because they are essentially in the same plane as a passenger’s legs.

I then purchased the red duffle bag set from Walmart’s camping section and used the large one for my clothes and my bear canister with my freeze dried camp food (Mountain House - made in Oregon) and packets of oatmeal and tea. The large red bag goes on the passenger seat. Then the smaller red bag sits on top of the larger bag and holds my cooking gear, survival gear and anything that I might need in a hurry. I then strap a small cooler that is just large enough for a quart of milk and my hard case holding a dozen eggs plus a few other items plus ice to the small bag. The whole assembly is then strapped to soft ties looped around the passenger grab handle with more Aerostich straps.

I came up with this approach when I reasoned that getting the heavy items to sit on the passenger foot pegs would lower the center of gravity of the bike much like standing on the foot pegs improves the handling of a dirt bike in rough terrain. This weight down low also counteracts the weight of the bags sitting up on the passenger seat. I was very pleased with the way the bike handled loaded down.

Many times when I stop at a gas station or rest stop, people come running over to inspect my system and when I’m traveling solo, want to know where I have been and where I am going. Riders are particularly intrigued. On my way home, one came up to me at a rest stop and after admiring my approach, stated, “You must be an engineer.” I told him that he was close and that I was an architect. When my camp site is set up, other campers come over and say, “you got all that on that bike?”

I’m sure that I’m not the first to think of this approach, but I’ve never seen anyone else do the same thing. So, there you are. Maybe more than you wanted to know.

yamatect
07-09-2010, 02:05 PM
Below is further discussion on the topic moved here from the Hearthstone Point State Park Review Thread

Trekker,

You are absolutely right about having a home for everything. It takes a lot of frustration out of camping. On the yellow bags, I took a Sharpie and wrote on the bag its contents once I had balanced the weight between the two bags. When I'm striking camp, I don't have to guess which bag gets what. Also, I like being able to grab the small red bag, and place it on the picnic table and have what I need in one place for cooking (with the addition of the bear canister filled with food and my cooler bag).

Also, I have a small day pack filled with my toiletry items including bath towel and wash cloths in freezer bags, black plastic garbage bag (used for bath mat when needed) and travel hair dryer (used for drying quick dry travel clothes after a hand wash when needed) stored inside the large red bag with clothes that I grab and swing onto my back when I'm heading to the bathhouse. I use a lot of one gallon freezer bags labeled with a sharpie for storing my underwear, socks etc which I throw into the back pack before heading to the bathhouse.

I've thought a lot about getting a trailer (I'm intrigued by the Unigo because it can be wheeled thru a motel room door) but all trailers have the drawback that they can make getting into and out of certain parking spots difficult, especially if your bike doesn't have a reverse gear (which, of course, my FJR does not have). With my system, I don't have to worry about that. Also, you may have noticed that if the bike ever tipped over, the yellow bags would act like a big cushion.

Of course, the trailer is going to make packing up much faster than my system. It takes some time to get my bags back on the bike and strapped down, although I get a little faster each time.

Let us know how your trailer works out.

gdawg
07-09-2010, 02:19 PM
looks like a full load, any idea what it all weighs?

yamatect
07-09-2010, 04:01 PM
looks like a full load, any idea what it all weighs?

gdawg,

The two yellow bags weigh 25 pounds each. The gear on the passenger seat probably weighs 45-50 pounds total. I never weighed them.

Yamifj1200
07-09-2010, 06:44 PM
Are you camping or moving?? LOL Thats alot of gear on your bike....


Eric M

bigTom
07-09-2010, 06:52 PM
Holy Cow, I think I'm going to have to concede the 'Uncle Jed' trophy here! You gots some stuff on there, brother!

Dusty Boots
07-09-2010, 09:17 PM
Holy Cow, I think I'm going to have to concede the 'Uncle Jed' trophy here! You gots some stuff on there, brother!

+ 1 That is one heck of a load there.


I thought I had a load on my Wing when I returned from a 5 week trip 2 years ago, but you got that beat! As long as it works, that's the main thing. P^

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2960802592_991b4b1ed6_o.jpg

Dusty Boots
07-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Nah .... that was a front tire I picked up at my US shipping address in WA, on my way home, so I only rode like that for 70 miles.

Here's what it looked like the rest of the 5 weeks.(Sept 21 - Oct 31) Here I was heading from Georgia, up along the BRP, to see my folks, north of Toronto, before ducking back down Stateside and heading out west again. (12,500mi)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3218/2966623493_9a201f63fd_o.jpg

and I met another fella riding and camping and he took this shot of me, while we were riding through Kentucky.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3370/3203836544_bd09ebee7d_o.jpg

Dusty Boots
07-11-2010, 12:06 AM
If that cooler broke the strap and hit me in the back of my helmet, the cause of the impact that broke that strap would be of far greater concern than the cooler! :dizzy1:

I have cut down on the size of my loads now, travelling lighter,(but still very comfortably) mainly by eliminating bulky layers and an extra riding jacket. I replaced the buiky layers and one riding jacket (http://www.tourmaster.com/xcart/catalog/Saber-Series-2-Jacket-p-242_3.html) by adding a heated jacket liner (http://www.tourmaster.com/xcart/catalog/Synergy-Electric-Jacket-Liner-p-256_59.html)(dual purpose as I use it around camp when cool/cold) and using just my mesh riding jacket (http://www.tourmaster.com/xcart/catalog/Draft-Air-Jacket-p-49_3.html)(with optional rain/wind liner). I find that combination alows me to ride in a very wide temperature range(mid 20* - 100*+) common on my tours in mid Sept - late Oct and over high mountain passes to Death Valley

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3668483096_43336b2e93_o.jpg

ziege
07-20-2010, 06:08 PM
Cool idea. Kinda like Giant Loop's wickedly-expensive-shaped-duffle-bag luggage (aka the $400 Great Basin) built up out of standard bags. Nothing wrong with that. I think that basic rig, only less, would be handy.

Less because, well, I'm pretty sure that bike has enough bag space to load everything I brought with me when I moved from California to Texas a few years ago. :)

Whosoever
07-20-2010, 07:48 PM
I believe your choice of "steed" makes an excellent choice, sir! :D

George
07-26-2010, 12:47 PM
Yamatect/Bob, I like yur solution to getting the weight down low. I think I'll try something similar on my ST1100. Gotta fix another problem first, tho. I'll follow up soon.

Folks, I've carried a spare tire often, sometimes a pair. Even carried three rears home from Illinois last summer (bought'em cheap in Auroroa at Fox Valley Honda.)

I carry TOO MUCH, but only what I need. Problem is a lot of the weight is up high, need to get it down farther. Tip-Overs-R-Us!